Stay at home mom starts online petition to get a credit card – despite her lack of income

I was recently asked to weigh in (on a radio show) on a story that is developing in regards to new credit rules. A stay-at-home mom is angry because Target denied her a credit card. She is making a huge deal of this denial, and has started a petition at Change.org.

If you’ve read this blog before, then you know that I go to great lengths to stick up for stay-at-home moms. I think financial bullying of women continues to be a big problem in this country, whether it’s pay scales or corporate board appointments. However I refuse to give anyone a pass when it comes to violating basic laws of personal finance.

Per the CNNMoney article, the story goes like this:

After nearly five years managing her family’s finances, Holly McCall, a 34-year old stay-at-home mother of two from Vienna, Va., never thought she would have trouble getting a credit card.

She makes the majority of family purchases, has an excellent credit score and has been approved for several cards in the past. But when McCall applied for a Target card last fall, she was denied.

She blames that denial on a recent Card Act rule.

The law was passed in 2009 to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. But some stay-at-home parents argue that a Card Act rule that took effect last October has made it harder for them to get approved for credit cards.

Aiming to protect consumers from racking up too much debt, the Federal Reserve now requires credit card issuers to consider individual income from applicants instead of household income.

As a result, stay-at-home parents who rely mainly on their spouse’s income have a harder time getting approved for credit cards on their own.

“I think it’s demeaning — I don’t want to ask my husband’s permission for a credit card,” McCall said. “Just because I don’t get a direct paycheck for [my work], doesn’t mean it’s not worthwhile work that I’m doing.”

-Courtesy CNNMoney.com

There is so much failed logic in this viewpoint. To be fair, I’ve never spoken with Mrs. McCall. But fortunately her thoughts are pretty clear. However, this is not a gender issue. It’s not a class issue. It’s not a marriage issue. It’s not even the problem of the credit industry. This story is REALLY easy to understand. This story is about a person – without an income. That’s it. End of story. Why should a financial institution lend money to an individual that has no personal means to pay back the debt? There is a very easy solution to her problem, yet she has decided the solution is actually an insult. The solution is to get the credit card with her partner. Yes, the partner that brings home the income for the household. This doesn’t mean that her husband is a better, more valuable person. It simply means that he personally has an income. This isn’t offensive. It’s just fact.

She isn’t conceding her value by filling out a joint application for the credit card. She isn’t setting women back 50 years by asking for the person with income to promise to pay back the debt that they might incur. I’m a HUGE supporter of stay-at-home parents. My wife is currently staying home with our children. My mom stayed at home when I was a kid. But the valuation of the stay-at-home parent isn’t the issue here, yet Mrs. McCall wants you to think that’s the issue. Check out this quote from the article:

“I used to be CEO of a small software consulting business and am now staying at home to take care of a toddler and first grader. If you had to pay someone to do what I do now, it would cost you at least $120,000, which is a lot less than what I used to earn,” one stay-at-home mom wrote on the online petition. “BTW, it’s a 24×7, not a 40 hour per week job. Don’t you think I should be allowed to get a credit card on my own?!”

No, I don’t think that qualifies you to get a credit card. I know this seems hard to believe, but credit used to only be extended to people that personally had the financial means to cover the debt. A person with no income has no means to pay back the debt. This doesn’t mean the person isn’t necessary. It just means that the person doesn’t have income. I applaud the new credit card rules, just as I applaud the efforts of stay-at-home parents all over the world.

We can’t demonize lending institutions for protecting their assets. You can’t sign a petition asking an institution to loan money to people with no income. If someone is offended that an institution won’t lend them money based on a lack of income, then the person doesn’t understand how credit works and probably shouldn’t have a credit card in the first place.

And furthermore, how is a credit card a solution to their situation? Do they not have enough household income to cover their monthly bills? Do they just want to take advantage of discounts at the register? I’ll never know. But I have a hard time thinking that someone who’s fighting for the “right” to get a credit card from a private company, despite her lack of income, might not truly understand proper borrowing strategies. I’m not trying to be rude or mean. This isn’t a personal attack on her. I’m just further concerned about how we’ve been socialized in regards to credit. Being an American citizen doesn’t guarantee you the right to borrow money. Your creditworthiness is what gives you the privilege to borrow money.

We have got to stop borrowing when we don’t need to borrow. Borrowing is not the solution to all of our financial challenges. Yes, borrowing money for a car or house can make sense. But our escalating assertion that our borrowing rights are being violated by student loan interest rates, or the denial of credit to those of us without incomes, is only further separating us from reality. People are wronged everyday by the financial world. Yet many more people claim victimization when it’s just not there. Mrs. McCall is not a victim.

Pete the Planner’s Guide to Finding Lost Money

It seems that most people have trouble keeping track of things. People lose their keys, phones, minds and, of course, money. Remember that bank account you had when you were sixteen and abandoned when you left for college? Remember those unclaimed traveler’s checks you requested when people actually used traveler’s checks? Of course you don’t. And that’s why that money is sitting in state bank accounts waiting for you to claim it.

Thankfully for us and our wallets, our government has done us right. Every U.S. state, including District of Columbia, has a website that allows you to search for your forgotten cabbage. We hope that you find forgotten money on one of these sites. We hope you cash the checks that the state sends. And we hope that you make it rain in our honor (see pic above).

Pete the Planner has even found over $700 in unclaimed money in the last 3 years. If you find money via this guide, please list the amount you found in the comment section below. We want to see how much we helped you fine. Make it rain!

Click every state that you have lived in. Search your family’s names too.

Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas
California Colorado Connecticut Delaware
Florida Georgia Hawaii Idaho
Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas
Kentucky Louisiana Maine Maryland
Massachusetts Michigan Minnesota Mississippi
Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada
New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York
North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma
Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina
South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah
Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia
Wisconsin Wyoming District of Columbia

An ethical dilemma: Should Bob give money to his brother?

A guy named Bob asked me a doozy of an money/ethics question this past weekend. I’m fascinated by this question, mainly because I’m torn as to what the answer is.

Here are the basics

Bob’s grandma died. When she died, she left Bob, his cousin, and his younger brother her house. The three sold the house and got to keep about $50,000 each. A few months later, Bob and his cousin were found to be beneficiaries of a life insurance policy on his grandma that was purchased well before Bob’s brother was born. The life insurance policy was for $47,000. This means that Bob and his cousin each received $23,500. Bob’s brother received nothing, as he was not listed as a beneficiary on the life insurance policy. Bob’s family (mom, dad, and brother) didn’t even know that Bob was the beneficiary of this forgotten life insurance policy.

Bob felt kinda strange about this. He decided the best thing to do was to give his brother about $8,000. That would have reduced Bob’s share to about $15,000. Had Bob’s brother actually been one of three original beneficiaries, then Bob would have only received about $15,000. So Bob decided that he would cut in his brother, and then only take about $15,000. Well, Bob’s brother didn’t seem too excited about being given $8,000. In fact, Bob’s brother called their mom, and then Bob’s mom was mad that Bob wasn’t giving the brother half. She felt that Bob was being selfish. Bob was absolutely dismayed that his generous gesture was dismissed as greedy.

Here are some other factors to consider

  • Bob didn’t feel comfortable asking the cousin to cut Bob’s brother an $8,000 check too.
  • Bob’s grandma had nearly 24 years to change the beneficiary on her life insurance to Bob’s brother – she chose not to.
  • Bob is 31 and his brother is 23.
  • Bob’s mom and brother both think Bob is being greedy.

What do you think? Feel free to leave a comment, or simply vote in my poll below.

 

The Pete the Planner Scholarship winner to be announced this month

The annual Pete the Planner Scholarship winner will be announced sometime in the next couple of weeks. The scholarship goes to a Pike High School senior who will be the first person in his/her family to go to college. It’s a $1000 scholarship this year, which means the student will have to take out $1000 less in student loans.

The winner has been selected. Here is one of the questions, with his/her answer, from the application. I think we picked a good one. As you might know, I cry pretty easily. It’s a Dunn family trait. I think his/her answer will leave you in tears too.

Question 10: How will being the first person in your family to go to college make you feel?

Being the first in my family to go to college will make me feel successful, but it will also be kind of bittersweet. My mother would have been more than capable of succeeding in a 4-year university if she would have had the opportunity to do so. We were visiting Ball State one day and you could see the nostalgia in her face when she thought no one was looking, but she made sure to express to me how proud she was that I was almost there. She was happy for me because I knew what I wanted to do and I was capable of grasping it. I would love more than anything to help her go to college once I graduate. In the end, being the first to go to college in my family is exciting. I have all of the love and emotional support in the world because my family is excited to see me succeed. Going to college will be a positive experience not only for me, but for my entire family to know that they all helped raise me successfully.

A success story from the battlefield

David T. is one of our brave men and women that puts his life on the line for you and me. Like many soldiers, David has a wife and child back home. David and his family had accumulated quite a bit of debt over the last few years, and we’re desperate for a plan to regain control of their financial lives. They had made a very poor housing decision, as many young military families do, and had a great deal of credit card debt. Prior to leaving for his current assignment overseas, David, his wife, and I put together an aggressive plan to help him feel good about his financial life by the time he got back home.

The plan was simple, yet difficult. He and his wife needed to aggressively pay down debt, and start saving serious money. If anyone has an excuse to not stick to a plan, it’s a deployed soldier. Stress is high, and sometimes financial concerns are the last stress to get attention. But David pushed through it all.

Below are a series of tweets that David sent me over the weekend.  Enjoy! I know that I did.

Adrenaline rush time for Peter Dunn…in 24 hours (my family) will be DEBT FREE!! About to make a $4000 payment on our car loan.

 

Now we have 6 months left to be super aggressive savers (before I get home). At my calculations, we will save about $8000-$10,000 in the next 6 months.

 

As of Oct 1, 2011 we were $19,750 in debt. $8000 Auto, 11,750 Credit card. May 1 its all paid. (My wife) had a job during this time…

 

She has since resigned as of last month. Now we go back to tightening the purse strings again, but this time house is sold and we only pay cash.

 

Even with (my wife) not having a job, we contribute 10% to retirement and 10% to savings. The rest is budgeted and the extra goes towards rainy days.

 

Thanks to your help and guidance. We appreciate you using real life examples. Hopefully we can help someone w/ours.

I salute you, David. I think your story just helped someone. Be safe. Come home soon.

An open letter to new college grads

Congrats! You have just completed an important stage of your life. It’s over. You aren’t a college kid anymore. I repeat, you aren’t a college kid anymore. Your sensibility must change. That’s what always needs to happen when you complete a stage of your life. When you complete your career and retire, then your sensibility will need to change then too. It’s your ability to shift your thinking and actions quickly, that will allow you to survive, and better yet, thrive.

You will have friends that keep their college kid mentality too long. Just don’t let it be you. You will/should have a finite, repeatable income. In college, you most likely either lived off of student loans, which you will now pay for, or you lived off of your parents’ income. Either way, it’s time to take the training wheels off. The temptation is to delay reality. You may want your parents to continue to support you until you “get on your feet” a little bit. Don’t do that. Cut the cord. The longer you drink from the money teat of your parents, the harder it is to break the addiction.

Base your entire financial life on this pie chart. No matter how much money you make, you will never have more than 100% of your income to live off of. On top of that, if you have student loans to repay, then you will have to reduce spending across the board in order to get rid of these financial anchors. It’s quite possible that your student loans will occupy up to 20% of your take home pay. Don’t try to avoid this by deferring your loans. Deferring your student loans is a really bad idea. Student loans have a way of hanging around for twenty years. Don’t let this happen. Try to pay them off within seven years. This means that you will need to pay more than the minimum payment. Do this.

In addition, here are 10 other quick tips to help you make the right decisions from the jump:

  1. Like your new income? Cool, but It isn’t all yours. Meet your Uncle Sam. You’re right, he is creepy, but you still need to break him off. Pay the man. Taxes suck, but you need to get over that and pay them.
  2. Start your 401k ASAP. Time and money are your best friends. Use them together by allowing time to help you grow your retirement fund. The sooner you invest (appropriately), the more time can help you.
  3. Don’t spend over 25% of your take home pay on housing. Get a roommate if you have to. Don’t make a terrible housing decision. It could crush you for years.
  4. Your friend that appears to be “doing the best” isn’t. Don’t be like him. He’s eventually going to learn from his mistakes. You need to learn from his mistakes right now.
  5. Always save at least 10% of your take-home pay. If you always do this, then you will never be broke. You need a savings account that you don’t touch with at least one month’s expenses. Once you accumulate one month worth of expenses, take a break, and then save three months worth of expenses.
  6. Don’t go out and buy a new car right away. Many people do it. Many people are wrong. Try to keep your transportation budget below 15% of your income.
  7. Don’t cash a paycheck. Never a good idea for a 23 year old (read: anyone) to carry around a few hundred/thousand dollars.
  8. Buy your parents something nice for the first Mother’s Day or Father’s Day while you are employed. It’s the right thing to do.
  9. When the times comes, don’t listen to the guy trying to sell you the engagement ring. He isn’t your accountant, financial planner, or friend. 3 months my ass.
  10. Don’t be in a hurry to accumulate all the things that you have ever wanted. I am guessing that you never have wanted to get kicked out of your apartment because you can’t pay rent. Take your time. The goal isn’t to buy more, it’s to need less.

You don’t need money to be great. And being great doesn’t mean that you will have money. Just be smart, be patient, and work hard. The rest kinda takes care of itself.

Good luck. Don’t mess this up.

It’s time to have an uncomfortable conversation with your parents

Pete the Planner, causing awkward moments since 1977.

Whether it’s happened already or not, you will eventually switch roles with your parents. They will look to you for guidance. They will look to you for care. And they may even look to you to help them financially. This is inevitable in one way, shape, or form. I’d be lying if I told you that it isn’t sad. It is sad. And we’re talking about it on this here web log because it can have a serious impact on your financial life.

No one really knows how to retire. Most people have never done it before. So when the time comes to retire, or in other words when it comes time to give up your earned income, many mistakes can be made. People often retire too early, with too many expenses, and without a health care plan in place. But what do you care? You’re in your 20s, 30s, or 40s (if you’re in your 50s and 60s and you read my blog, thank you, and I’m sorry some of my pop culture references are lost on you), so you have your own things going on. You are getting married, having kids, building careers, etc etc. All you generally know about your parents’ financial situation is that it’s probably better than yours. And THIS is where the trouble begins.

We are relative thinkers. We hold ourselves in a certain regard, and anyone that seems to be in a better spot than us, we hold in high regard. It’s kinda odd, but that’s what we do. If someone is relatively more successful than us, then we generally remove the relatively, and simply call them financially successful. This most often occurs with our parents. They generally have more stable jobs, bigger 401(k)s, and they don’t have the same material expenses that the typical young American family has. All this adds up to assuming that are parents will be fine when it comes to retirement. That’s a mistake.

At first, it seems like none of your damn business. But it is. Well, it will be. Unless you gave your parents a flaming bag of poo for Mother’s and Father’s Days, then you will most likely be dealing with their estate when they pass away. You will liquidate their assets, pay their debts, and keep the rest. No matter how much money they have, this process sucks. If your parents are adequately prepared, it sucks. And if your parents aren’t adequately prepared then it REALLY REALLY REALLY sucks. The sooner you have a conversation with your parents about their retirement and estate plans, the less the situation will suck. Remember, it’s still going to suck.

So how exactly are you to say “Hey Pops, I want to make sure everything’s cool when you die”? It’s not as cut and dry as death. You actually want to make sure everything is cool if they live. That’s the whole point. They need planning. They need retirement planning, long term care planning, and estate planning. These are things that you and I generally don’t think about on a daily basis. The best way to bring it up is with a casual “hey, can you walk me through your retirement plans so that I know what my job is?” That will inevitably raise a “huh?” That “huh” is a good thing. It gives you a chance to say something like this:

I’ve been doing a lot of reading on financial stuff recently. I found this really (pick your favorite fawning adjective: smart, funny, handsome, potent, ginger) financial writer named Pete the Planner. He had a post the other day about your parents’ retirement and estate plans. He says that I should know what’s going on so that I can step-up when necessary.

See, that wasn’t that awkward. Make sure that your parent knows how important it is to you to help them. You aren’t doing their planning, you are simply trying to find out what their plans are. And if they don’t have any plans, then badger them until they get it done. It’s at this point in time when you realize you have officially switched roles with your parents. “Get your homework done. Clean your room. Take out the trash. Get your retirement, long term care, and estate planning done so that you don’t leave the entire family hanging.”

Have any questions? I know a potent ginger that may be able to answer them.

The Stafford Loan interest rate discussion is missing the point

Unless you’ve been living under a rounded stone, then you know about the possibility that Stafford Loans (the federal student loan mechanism) could see their interest rates increased from 3.4% to 6.8% on July 1st. This means that current and future students would have higher interest rates on the money they borrow for college. There is outrage. Absolute outrage.

The outrage is misguided. If you will for a moment, suspend your outrage and look at the college cost problem from a different perspective. The average student will suffer an economic loss of $1000 based on the rate increase. This means that a hypothetical education will cost $1000 more than it did prior to the rate increase. (People that currently hold student loans aren’t really affected). The solution is simple, yet immediately dismissed. Take out less student loans.

I have studied peoples’ spending and borrowing habits for nearly 15 years, and I can say without a doubt, that people that get angered about interest changes are people that look immediately to debt for solutions. At some point in the last 30 years, the solution to every economic problem in this country became borrowing. Can’t afford a car? Borrow. Can’t afford surgery? Borrow. Can’t afford a TV? Borrow. Can’t afford fast food? Borrow. Our collective financial sensibility has gone to hell.

We look at challenging financial situations and immediately come to the conclusion that we must borrow. The government does this, and the citizens of this country do this. If you are getting heated while reading this, then this newfound debt complacency has started to trickle into your mind. The absolute last resort should be to borrow money for college or anything else we can’t afford. But it’s NOT the last resort. It’s the absolute first thing we do. Show me a student that finds a way to pay for college without immediately turning to loans, and I’ll show you a young person that I will immediately hire. In fact, I just hired a young lady who refuses to take out student loans to fund her education. Her determination isn’t short-lived. Why aren’t we teaching young people how to scrap? Instead, we teach people to bitch about student loan rates.

There’s another piece of legislation on the table in Congress called the Student Loan Forgiveness Act. It’s a RIDICULOUS piece of legislation. Yes, several people across the country are struggling to pay back the crazy amount of student loans that they took out in college. But how is that the government’s problem? If I get a tattoo on my neck that I later regret, should the government step into pay for its removal? I had a young lady in my office the other day that had an “extra” $12,000 leftover from her student loan check. She went on Spring Break with it, fixed her car, and paid for a relative’s cell phone bill. I would be beyond salty if my tax money went to pay for her student loan forgiveness.

In my book, Avoid Student Loans, I write how the average student can save thousands of dollars by simply taking the correct high school courses. Why isn’t that being talked about? Why isn’t there outrage about the choices being made by the people? If you blame the government for everything, then this nation is doomed. Our future is dependent on our individual choices.

What about all the kids out there hustling? Our lives are defined by our decisions. If we are constantly bailed out for poor decisions, then we will never learn from our mistakes. The solution isn’t to forego college. The solution is to take out less student loans. The solution is beyond simple. Yes, you have to work hard to replace student loans with actual earned income, but the alternative is unacceptable. Well, at least it should be.

We will never progress forward if we are constantly looking for other people to solve our problems.

 

 

***Peter Dunn (a.k.a. Pete the Planner), is responsible for some of the most cutting edge financial advice around. Whether he is preventing high income earners from wasting their opportunities or teaching single parents how to raise financially adjusted children, Pete the Planner always arrives to the scene with his trademark comedic wit. In January 2012 he was named the fourth most influential personal finance broadcaster in the US.

He released his first book, What Your Dad Never Taught You About Budgeting, in 2006 and is the host of the popular radio show The Pete the Planner show on 93 WIBC FM. He was also the mastermind behind 24 Hour News 8’s 60 Days to Change and has appeared regularly on Fox News, Fox Business, CNN Headline News and numerous nationally syndicated radio programs.

His second book, 60 Days to Change: A Daily How To Guide With Actionable Tips to Improve Your Financial Life was released in December of 2009. His third book Avoid Student Loans, was released in January 2012.

What if financial success, in the traditional sense, isn’t in the cards?

You may or may not believe this, but I’m a reformed slacker. Throughout school, I put in the absolute minimum amount of effort to get the job adequately done. The job that needed to be adequately done? I just needed a B. Not C’s. A’s were great, but I needed B’s to avoid parental interference. Therefore I didn’t really try. I could get B’s without trying. I have come to realize that I was an absolute failure as a student. I’ve learned that real success can never come with half-assed effort. Intelligence and talent are often relied upon in lieu of effort. But I don’t think a person can truly be satisfied unless they learn what it is to try.

To take it further, students that tried their hardest yet received lesser grades than I did, were actually more successful students. Living your potential is admirable. Doing the least amount necessary to get by, is not.

Some of us are considered financially successful based on our incomes. Some of us are considered failures based on our incomes. But I think that’s the wrong measure. For instance, take a look at a recent email exchange I had with a 60 Days To Change participant. (Shared with permission)

Well I have come to the conclusion sadly to say that since I have to provide and take care of my elderly mom there isn’t any budget cutting, etc that is going to work. Yes and it’s not something that I dwell on. I have used the tools in the book as I have gone thru and it’s just life. I know there are others in my situation and as much as we would like to become debt free some circumstances just get in the way. I don’t know if you would have any comments regarding this but no one wants to have a parent die just to free them financially. She has no reserve or never has had any financial means so I just take care of her as she took care of me when I was little.

I don’t know how you look at this email, but I look at it and say “this woman is a success.”

Here is my response to her:

I really appreciate you taking the time to share such a personal story with us. I know that sometimes money feels very mechanical and cold. I know that programs like 60 Days to Change seem to focus on “the bottom line”, but the reality is that money is really about people.

 

Your goal, in regards to your financial life, is pretty simple in nature, but challenging in practice: Do the best you can in the situation in which you are in. Per your email, you are in a very tough situation that seems like it doesn’t have a great opportunity for “success” within 60 Days to Change…if you are looking at “success” in the traditional way. But what you need to know is that the financial success is entirely based on your use of resources. How do you best use your money? How do you best use your time? Those are the measures that matter. If you have cut all of your expenses to the bone, and if you are working to earn a living, then that is success. You are doing the best that you can. I can tell that you don’t dwell on being in debt. I can tell that it doesn’t define you.

 

If there was ever a sign of success, it was in the last line of your email, “I just take care of her as she took care of me when I was little.” Your financial situation will eventually shift. You are doing a great job.

So by the definition of success that I have come to over the last 10 years, this woman is more successful than most of us. She does the best she can with the resources she has. I know that I don’t. The slacker in me isn’t completely gone.

Are you a success?

Simple financial truth

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A lack of financial literacy is about 15% of the problem. A lack of financial restraint is the remainder of the problem. This site was created to help you with both. What helps with restraint? Motivation. Think of me as your financial Richard Simmons. Wait. I changed my mind. Don’t think of me as Richard Simmons.

Anyway, I’m here to help.